Victoria Weber

Video Transcript

00:00:03:00 – 00:00:34:08
Jessica
Hi, I’m Jessica. Welcome back to the LEIAMOON channel. I’m so excited to share this conversation with you today. I connected with Victoria Weber, the co-founder of Marma Health, after the C-section birth of her first son, Victoria dove deep into the birth world to better understand her experience, and she emerged an expert for birthing mothers. She has since supported thousands of women through pregnancy, birth and postpartum as a doula, holistic nutrition coach, and yoga instructor.

00:00:34:10 – 00:00:54:13
Jessica
She’s also an innovative chef and the founder of an organic meal delivery service designed for supporting postpartum families. Her mission is to help guide women back to their own innate wisdom, with the belief that women hold the power to change the trajectory of health and humanity. I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did.

00:00:54:13 – 00:01:22:22
Jessica
Victoria. Hi. Welcome. Thank you so much for joining me. I’m so grateful to have been introduced by our mutual old friend Heather and to share more about all that you’re creating in the world to help guide women through such an incredible rite of passage and armed them with more information and more ease as they go through that transformation. So thank you so much for joining us and joining the LEIAMOON community today.

00:01:22:22 – 00:01:31:02
Victoria
Thank you so much for having me. And yeah, the world is small yet grand and it’s so glad our paths have crossed.

00:01:31:04 – 00:01:40:23
Jessica
Likewise. So let’s just start by sharing more of your story, like how you came to do the work that you’re doing today.

00:01:40:26 – 00:01:57:02
Victoria
Yeah, my story begins at least in the birth world, very similarly to a lot of people when they’re transitioning from woman to mother.

00:01:57:02 – 00:02:32:02
Victoria
And there’s a huge transformation that that comes. And I was very much thrown into the birth world after my experience and I, I grew up with a very holistic upbringing. And when I became pregnant, I also chose a very holistic birth. And never in my mind did I ever think that anything beyond that plan would ever happen and did not prepare for it.

00:02:32:02 – 00:03:18:18
Victoria
And my home birth very quickly, after a week of prodromal labor and 52 hours of active labor, turned into a hospital transfer which turned into a C-section and I was I was very shocked by the experience and didn’t know what happened to me, like, how did this happen? And so it kind of threw me into an investigative experience where I decided to take a doula course and not not to become a doula, but to just receive more information.

00:03:18:21 – 00:04:06:17
Victoria
And that birth doula course turned into a postpartum doula course, which turned into an innovative doula course, which turned into perinatal yoga certification, which turned into holistic nutrition. And gosh, I’ve got cranial-sacral, I’ve got lots of different modalities in which I feel and have felt the need to serve women because in today’s very fast paced world, we no longer have the tribes and the circle of women that we truly need and deserve when we are going through a very vulnerable time in our life.

00:04:06:20 – 00:04:52:15
Victoria
So about my my first son is is seven and a half. And I became began that experience maybe three months after he was born. And I launched my first company called Nettle and Honey that is primarily in person support and and an organic meal delivery service here in my local community. Many years later, down the line, I was working one on one with lots of my my clients doing kind of all the things I attend their birth.

00:04:52:15 – 00:05:22:10
Victoria
I would have postpartum in-home support, I would make and deliver meals. And one of my clients came to me about four months after her, her second child, and she said, I feel so much better. I can’t even I can’t believe how much better I feel in this postpartum experience versus my first. And we have to grow and scale this to reach more women.

00:05:22:12 – 00:05:57:14
Victoria
And so she is now my co-founder, Meredith McAllister to Marma Health, which Marma is a nutrition urban based app platform, and the app guides women of week by week through their entire pregnancy and then also an entire year postpartum of how can we nutritionally support the body through, again, a very vulnerable full time. I can keep going. Yeah.

00:05:57:17 – 00:06:17:09
Jessica
I mean I think I mean even sharing more of your story of where you really think you have a plan, you know, and you have a vision for how things are going to go. But there is so much more nuance and detail that we can dive into. And sometimes we don’t recognize that until we’re on the other side of the experience.

00:06:17:09 – 00:06:42:15
Jessica
So it’s really interesting that that is what informed you to do the work that you’re doing and yeah, I still feel like it’s hard. It’s it’s hard to know all the things all the time. Considering the fast pace of our world. So developing a tool to arm women with more information and make it just kind of easier and smoother where it’s not like you’re alone.

00:06:42:15 – 00:07:08:15
Jessica
And kind of siloed in a vacuum trying to figure all this out on your own when it’s already just so overwhelming. All the shifts that are happening hormonally and physically in your body. So I really appreciate that. But we’re just like collectively coming together to kind of like give these pieces to each other and sort of make it feel like we have to do it on our own and spend all the time that a lot of us don’t really have.

00:07:08:15 – 00:07:42:27
Victoria
So, yeah, yeah, we’re living in a time not at a lack of resources and in fact, there’s just way too much information out there that it’s hard to know what’s real, what’s what’s meaningful to me personally, and what do I trust. And so that we joke if we’re offering resources in bite sized information so that it’s not too overwhelming, because becoming a mother for the first, second, third or fourth time is overwhelming.

00:07:43:00 – 00:07:49:10
Victoria
And we need we need things sometimes in tiny bite sized pieces.

00:07:49:12 – 00:08:03:19
Jessica
Yeah, for sure. So is that really like how the app works then is in terms of nutrition or how how do you kind of disperse the information as a woman goes through these pre-conception pregnancy and postpartum years?

00:08:03:25 – 00:08:20:00
Victoria
Yeah. For instance, during pregnancy you’ll log into the app and it’ll pop up and say, Hi, Jessica, today you’re 15 weeks pregnant and here’s a little bit about your baby, but here’s more about you because that’s what matters right now.

00:08:20:02 – 00:08:54:22
Victoria
We want to be a mother centered app. And then here are some nutrients that you really need to concentrate on to support your body. This week, here are some foods that support those nutrients. And then here are a four or five recipes that support those foods and those nutrient apps. And so then you can click into each nutrient or in each food and receive more information, or you can kind of take it at face value like, Oh, okay, I need more iron this week.

00:08:54:24 – 00:09:27:01
Victoria
Or if you’re nerdy like me, you click into iron and you’re like, Okay, what exact type of iron is the most bioavailable for my particular body? Or if you want to get even more personalized, you click the chat feature and you speak directly with a nutrition coach and you can ask really broad questions. You can ask, you know, just one off questions like, Hey, I’m at the grocery store and I’m looking at these two different types of iron, which is the best one, and what would you recommend?

00:09:27:03 – 00:09:50:00
Jessica
Yeah, so you can kind of like choose your own adventure on some level of how in-depth you want to get with each of these or even personalize it with what you’re really in need of in the moment. Maybe your care provider is guiding you a little bit more. And so like what? What it is that you need and then the app can be like a really great supplement to then being able to really, like, serve yourself in a more personalized way.

00:09:50:03 – 00:10:09:18
Jessica
Yeah, and I like I’m curious too, like in your research of, of nutrition for these really crucial years in preparing for labor and delivery and beyond, What what is it that you found that is really needed during pregnancy

00:10:09:21 – 00:10:21:05
Jessica
So much! Yeah, I’m sure I guess what would you say are like the top three like critical pieces for nutrition and it’s nutrient wise.

00:10:21:07 – 00:11:10:10
Victoria
Yeah, we’ve got some that I’ve got just like on repeat number one, aiming for 100 grams of protein per day. And I, I do not love telling people to track their nutrients. I think that it kind of takes away from our own innate wisdom and putting our power into something else. However, I do think it can be really beneficial to see where you’re at because if you think like, Oh yeah, I think I plenty of protein can you track for a couple of days and you realize, Oh, I’m really only getting about 40 to 50 grams of protein a day when you know that you can, you should really be aiming for 80 to 100

00:11:10:10 – 00:11:51:03
Victoria
or even higher if you can. But I say aim for 100 and eating enough protein can mitigate so many pregnancy symptoms that that come up. Fish and seafood is another one that we recommend quite a bit and aiming to eat at least three times per week. And if you don’t eat fish or seafood, getting those omega threes in a supplement form, eating a rainbow of fruits and vegetables because the actual color of the the produce, it signifies different nutrients within them.

00:11:51:03 – 00:12:31:14
Victoria
So making sure that you’re hitting all of the different vitamins and minerals. And then beyond that, we’re also talking about reducing your toxic exposure, reducing plastics and getting out air filters in your home. And getting healthy movement in your life. It’s not We are our concentration is definitely on nutrients and on nutrition. However, it’s a holistic modality like are we need to look at the entire picture, How are you sleeping?

00:12:31:17 – 00:12:38:18
Victoria
How what is your connection like? Are you laughing every day? Are your needs being met?

00:12:38:21 – 00:12:54:24
Jessica
And it’s interesting. Like as you talk, I’m thinking about how much of the information out there can feel like it’s very focused on the development of baby and just like that, you’re eating these foods because the baby needs this or the baby needs that it this week of development.

00:12:54:24 – 00:13:24:15
Jessica
But it’s really like such a partnership and how all that works between the mother body and the baby body. And like your health is such a reflection of how you know, your your pregnancy will feel. I know there’s a lot of other factors here, but I just know feeling good in your body during pregnancy is possible. And and you honoring that possibility then can translate into how your birth feels and how you thrive postpartum.

00:13:24:18 – 00:14:00:26
Jessica
You really postpartum can like set you up or beyond. So even though I’m assuming mommas like focused more on these years, it’s really like a roadmap for how to feel good in your body through all these different phases and understanding that like you’re valuable, I guess. I think I guess what I’m getting at is like the focus can feel so much like it’s really on checking in on the baby, you know, checking the heart rate of the baby, you know, all these like different things that you might get from or information you get from the doctor’s office but doesn’t always speak to the the mother body.

00:14:00:26 – 00:14:13:02
Jessica
So I really appreciate that. That, you know, really is what this app is helping do is kind of shift more of the focus and the attention on the value of how we treat our own vessel during this precious time.

00:14:13:04 – 00:14:33:01
Victoria
Yeah. I mean, the message that we receive in the world and in Hollywood is that like, you know, pregnancy is hard and we are miserable and cranky and and it’s just a thing that we need to get through, but we can also really enjoy it.

00:14:33:01 – 00:14:56:25
Victoria
And we can we deserve to enjoy it. And it can be a really beautiful, sacred time as well. And also, just like we don’t need to feel bad and if there’s almost always a remedy, whether it is a body work or something that you can do nutritionally to support your body, to feel better,

00:14:56:27 – 00:15:15:28
Jessica
like in the women that you’ve helped with your previous business and then your partner, you know, that’s co-founded this business with you because so many have been coming, you recognize the difference between when they weren’t really paying attention nutritionally or environmentally and when they were really tuned in and how different that felt.

00:15:16:00 – 00:15:33:15
Jessica
Can you speak a little bit to like what those differences are? I guess with what I’m trying to ask is what is it that shifted for them in the second experience, our third experience, but felt so much more empowering?

00:15:33:17 – 00:15:51:16
Victoria
Yeah, we hear over and over again that nutrition and even just cooking at home seemed so overwhelming. Just the thought of it and just bringing it back down.

00:15:51:19 – 00:16:29:24
Victoria
How can we cook a meal that works for your family? We don’t need to spend 2 hours preparing all these specific sauces and roasts, and that’s so great at times when you have it. But also, like nutrition can be really, really simple. It can be, you know, just a whole grains and fresh produce and roasted vegetables and just eating to the seasons and things that are local in your community.

00:16:29:24 – 00:17:01:26
Victoria
And and even just that that fine attunement of, oh, I’m not going to eat a pineapple when I live in the Midwest in January because that might not be exactly what my body is prepared for right now and experience. It’s something like heartburn or even a rash around my mouth because because my body’s not prepared. Very, very simple things like that.

00:17:01:26 – 00:17:25:08
Victoria
We I had a beautiful discussion with one of our customers yesterday and I asked her, you know, what can you be doing better? What can we offer? And she’s like, I don’t even know how to answer that question. And this is making me kind of emotional. And she starts crying and she’s like, I can’t tell you what a difference.

00:17:25:10 – 00:17:56:10
Victoria
Just these very simple, because I never thought of it before. I never thought that, Oh, I can use bone broth to cook my rice instead of water or, you know, I didn’t think about going outside at 8 a.m. and getting sunlight on my face first thing in the morning to create a rhythm in the pattern so that I was in bed by 10 p.m. at night.

00:17:56:10 – 00:18:04:20
Victoria
And like just that difference of a full night’s sleep. Yeah. Make huge changes.

00:18:04:22 – 00:18:23:13
Jessica
I think sometimes we try to compensate with supplements and just say like, Oh, I’ll kind of like make up for it by the prenatal, but really like, I don’t know. Can you speak to that a bit of like how we metabolize nutrients that way versus in real life?

00:18:23:15 – 00:19:06:03
Victoria
Definitely. I mean, I think that the health health community is just as much to blame as like the pharmaceutical is like we were expecting to put a Band-Aid on the root cause and or expecting this pill to take care of my nutrition. I do think that supplements are really important, but they shouldn’t be. The first thing that we go to the we should first try to eat a nutrient dense diet that’s hitting all of our markers and just nourishing our body and not being restrictive.

00:19:06:05 – 00:19:37:21
Victoria
And then we might need some more support, such as a fish oil or, you know, our our soils are so deficient that our our foods don’t have as many nutrients as they used to. There’s a study of an orange 50 years ago contains eight times less of the nutrients that they did when our grandparents were eating that same exact orange.

00:19:37:24 – 00:19:58:08
Victoria
So things like minerals, that’s kind of a hot topic right now is mineral balance and mineral repression. But I’m I’m always recommending, especially during pregnancy and postpartum, to take magnesium every single night.

00:19:58:10 – 00:20:09:04
Jessica
Yeah, that is like super how I always find magnesium so interesting because even like topically it does a lot like your lotions, which yeah, it was like a game changer for me during the final weeks of pregnancy.

00:20:09:12 – 00:20:31:17
Jessica
So good to not have my legs feel like seizing and cramping up. So there’s just so much you’re learning as you go as a as a pregnant person. And I’m sure it’s like super helpful to have access to this information at your fingertips, like giving you notifications and kind of like you at the ready as it really traveling through it.

00:20:31:19 – 00:20:45:14
Jessica
Yeah. I’m curious to like how does it shift if you want to like take us through even like the phases of pregnancy and how our needs are shifting as we approach birth and then even into postpartum.

00:20:45:16 – 00:20:58:14
Victoria
Yeah. Okay. Well, so many people have heard of folic acid or folate, which is the folic acid is the synthetic version of folate.

00:20:58:14 – 00:21:38:27
Victoria
And it’s really necessary in that first six weeks of pregnancy. However, most people don’t find out that they’re pregnant until about five or six weeks, if they’re lucky. Some people much later than that. And then the folate is really not that prevalent as a need. What folate does is help to develop them. It’s line, which is responsible for tongue and lip time, spinal bifida and other neurological development.

00:21:39:00 – 00:22:23:24
Victoria
And choline is one as well that that continues on that need throughout the entire pregnancy and even postpartum. So everybody’s always hyped up about folic acid or folate. But choline is just as important, if not more so, that folate is really the biggest one in the first trimester and then supporting the body. We do a lot of recommendations of how do you get those nutrients in the first trimester when you feel nauseous and like you don’t want to eat anything or you can’t keep anything down?

00:22:23:26 – 00:22:54:18
Victoria
That’s where protein comes into play. Or if you’re getting that protein, your blood sugar is being regulated and it’s the blood sugar that has such a high spiking crash during pregnancy that can make you feel nauseated. So eating small, regular meals, making sure that there’s a bit of protein in every single snack meal and bite, kind of like to make a game out of is like, how much protein can I get into this meal?

00:22:54:19 – 00:23:32:20
Victoria
I throw some chia seeds on it or throw some nut butter or like grab a grass fed beef stick as you enter the second trimester. Usually people are feeling so much better and can get more movement, get more nutrients and get all those vegetables. Protein is another big one and omega threes come into play and that’s where towards the end of the second trimester and into the third year, building the brain and the skeletal structure.

00:23:32:20 – 00:24:02:21
Victoria
So your minerals like calcium and magnesium there, if if you don’t have it in your own stores, your baby’s going to take it from you. So that might be why you are feeling those like restless legs or achy joints or feeling like you are are needing to eat all the time or things like that. Luckily, our bodies are so wise that our babies will take from us.

00:24:02:24 – 00:24:45:21
Victoria
However, then we’re feeling left depleted. Yeah, yeah. That resonate that it. Yeah. And then also in the third trimester microbiome. Microbiome is always important, I’ll say that, but it really takes an effect because you want to prepare the birth canal for, for the transfer of your microbiome into your babies, which can affect them for the next 40 years and especially for the first year of life.

00:24:45:23 – 00:25:17:08
Victoria
Yeah, I’ll take it. And I personally recommend food first, really for everything. But when it comes to probiotics, you are using sauerkraut and kimchi and even a little can feature those fermented foods to to prepare your body. And let me tell you, and one tablespoon of sauerkraut, you’re going to get more strains of probiotics than the 50 or $60 bottle that last month.

00:25:17:10 – 00:25:33:05
Jessica
Yeah, that’s really a good comparison to understand like how much these whole foods can really pack a punch and also give you energy to move throughout your day instead of just like taking the supplement.

00:25:33:07 – 00:25:48:09
Victoria
Yeah, you know, iron is a huge one and that’s that usually comes into play around in the second trimester. But usually if you’re getting enough protein, you’re getting your iron in as well.

00:25:48:12 – 00:26:32:02
Victoria
Luckily, organ meats are getting so much exposure these days because it only took us the last hundred years to erase everything that our ancestors have been doing for thousands and thousands of years. And we’ve always been eating organ meats and we just don’t do it anymore. And then luckily there’s companies that are processing them into supplements. It’s not the same, but it can be super helpful to get your organ meats in that way, especially if you didn’t grow up or are just really not open to trying.

00:26:32:05 – 00:26:42:17
Victoria
And I’ve definitely been experimenting and can eat liver on its own now, but it took me a while and so yeah,

00:26:42:20 – 00:27:02:17
Jessica
I should connect you with my sisters because for me, both part of my husband and I always buy into like a cow share or we get like a quarter cow every six months or so. And when I was postpartum, we had, yeah, the liver from the animal.

00:27:02:17 – 00:27:10:05
Jessica
And my sisters came and made liver spring rolls as one of the delicacies for my postpartum party.

00:27:10:05 – 00:27:12:02
Victoria
That’s so great. How did you like it?

00:27:12:04 – 00:27:24:02
Jessica
It was great. It was like a creative use of it. Yeah. To have, you know, like the string carrots and like, a little daikon radish with, well, liver. Yeah, I love that too. Yeah.

00:27:24:05 – 00:27:27:14
Jessica
So we’ll put that on the Marma recipe roster.

00:27:27:15 – 00:27:31:04
Victoria
Yeah, that’s exactly what I was just thinking like.

00:27:31:07 – 00:27:46:15
Jessica
But I guess then so, So I guess we got through the three trimesters and then the fourth trimester that we’re all defining postpartum as now. Yeah, it’s probably a lot more of the same. But I think that, you know, you were talking about the depletion part.

00:27:46:15 – 00:28:11:02
Jessica
I think there’s so much of that that happens instantly and we’re not always aware of it because we’re like in the hormonal bliss of oxy to send and so much newness all at once that we’re not always like a hyper aware of how we’re feeling in our body because all of it just feels so new and foreign. And, you know, our focus is really on like nursing the baby.

00:28:11:02 – 00:28:28:26
Jessica
If that’s what’s happening for you or waking several times a night. So I feel like that, you know, threshold from being pregnant to not being pregnant, you think long many women like can’t wait for that day for the baby to finally come thinking, oh, I’m not going to be pregnant anymore. I’m like, kind of done with this phase.

00:28:28:26 – 00:28:40:15
Jessica
But it certainly does not end for life at that moment. So yeah, you can speak more to like how to replenish and rebuild postpartum.

00:28:40:18 – 00:28:55:08
Victoria
In many cultures, they see this as an opportunity to rebuild health. So you’ve just gone through pregnancy. You’ve given all of your nourishment to your baby. You’ve just gone through the marathon of birth, You’re exhausted.

00:28:55:08 – 00:29:25:29
Victoria
You are at like ground zero. So we can rebuild that health completely from the ground up. It’s almost like when you have a tummy bug like, all right, I’ve just clean my gut out. Like, let’s let’s start out with, you know, fresh start. And so there’s many, many herbs that are beneficial metal and alfalfa. They’re blood builders, they’re high in iron and also in many minerals.

00:29:26:01 – 00:29:59:15
Victoria
You want to keep the diet easy to digest because no matter what you are, heal in. And whether that be from a C-section or from a the like the most beautiful like ideal vaginal birth. You’re you still have a wound on the inside of your uterus the size of a dinner plate from where your placenta was attached and if you saw that on the outside of your body, like nobody would ever expect you to get up out of bed.

00:29:59:17 – 00:30:22:19
Victoria
Plus, you are now up every 2 to 3 hours. You have a brand new being. You’re learning how to breastfeed. You’re learning how to become a new mother. You’re you’re healing in every way. So all of your meals should be warm. Nothing raw for at least the first two weeks. I like to I like to extend that for the first three months.

00:30:22:21 – 00:30:45:05
Victoria
We don’t need to be eating salads. They’re just they’re more difficult for our bodies. It takes more energy for our bodies to digest and your digestive system is also brand new because you had a baby taking up so much of that digestive space. So your organs are now kind of soupy like floating around in your body that they need to find their place again.

00:30:45:07 – 00:31:15:27
Victoria
So I always recommend some sort of warm postpartum wrap around your body. So like a belly bind. And that can be as simple as high waisted postpartum leggings, or it can be as tradition as like a bacon belly wrap. And at that same time, you’re eating warm, nourishing foods. You’re thinking of like warm, nourishing spices, like ginger, turmeric, cinnamon, cardamom.

00:31:16:00 – 00:31:34:19
Victoria
All of these things are going to be healing to the body. Bone broth is going to be like restore the gut. And as long as you can do that for as long as possible, it’s going to give your body the opportunity to heal and restore its vitality.

00:31:34:21 – 00:31:46:22
Jessica
Like for a lot of women, kind of what you’re talking to at the beginning of, you know, kind of losing that sense of community care or being cared for.

00:31:46:22 – 00:32:13:09
Jessica
And I guess now in this digital era where we have community like this, access to digital community coupled with our family community that hopefully can be present and care for us, I can just see a lot of potential for how, you know, the Mormon app can be then in the hands hopefully of the of the support people that are there to cook the recipes and prep all these foods.

00:32:13:09 – 00:32:35:14
Jessica
And maybe you have them in the freezer. Know if you can speak more to to how to prepare for this phase when you’re just not don’t really have the physical strength to be. I mean, a lot of women still do it and they do it for themselves. And that’s just kind of what they have to do. And and this just having the app on its own is helpful for women in that position.

00:32:35:14 – 00:32:57:04
Jessica
I mean, I’ve certainly been in that position myself a lot of times. You don’t realize how much help we have to call in. And and I think a lot of us are in positions where we have to ask for it. And that doesn’t always feel like the way it should be. It should be just known that you must flock and come to and any queen now subdivide that thing.

00:32:57:04 – 00:33:11:19
Jessica
Yeah, I, I just can see like then the integration I guess between like this digital era we’re in and kind of the more traditional way of like community care and coming to, to bridge that through the work that you’re doing.

00:33:11:24 – 00:33:26:29
Victoria
Yeah. And people want to help and sometimes they don’t know how to use one of our offerings is just a simple PDF to print off and stick on your fridge of a postpartum plan.

00:33:27:02 – 00:33:59:09
Victoria
One. This gives the part the birthing partners the time to look at okay, what do we need? And it also has a space of what are helpful things to do around the house. What is my week look like? You know, Monday through Sunday on each day. Oh, so that when my father in law comes over and he sees that Thursday is trash day, he can be like, Oh, I’ll just go bring that out.

00:33:59:11 – 00:34:39:28
Victoria
But you can list it out like helpful things to do around the house. Take the dog on a walk, take the two year old to the park, take the trash out, wash the dishes, do the laundry, help me create a meal, plan things like that. We will also have an integration where the Marma app has like a Marma partner, so the partner can swoop in and see all the information that is there for for their partner and see exactly what they’re going through, but through the lens of their partner and like, okay, this is how you can help your support, your partner.

00:34:39:28 – 00:35:08:21
Victoria
This week. And these are the most beneficial meals for your partner during this time. We’ve also had we have not done this yet, but it’s kind of an idea from the beginning of a PDF print off of something you can give your mother in law to make meals for you and what else was I going to say? There was something else, top of mind.

00:35:08:25 – 00:35:38:02
Jessica
But I love that the app has like the partner login option because yeah, it feels like, yeah, you’re so immersed in the world as like the, the mother where you’re you’re very incentivized to be doing all this research and learning and downloading the apps and like collecting, but it only goes so far. It’s like your community of people that are really there to, to help you.

00:35:38:02 – 00:36:00:06
Jessica
And they want to help, but they don’t they haven’t been doing the research. And yeah, there’s sometimes there’s a disconnect there. So it’s really great. Again, kind of to the piece I was saying of this like merging of, of harnessing the value of, of tech with like the real traditional value of, of supporting the birth person always and foremost.

00:36:00:09 – 00:36:05:09
Jessica
Yeah. And how those can work together to integrate that value.

00:36:05:11 – 00:36:34:09
Victoria
And I should say that’s a future integration. We don’t have it quite yet. We’re still very much in our baby stages of Marma, and we have so many hopes and dreams where, you know, where we just launched last January three. So it’s been a roller coaster of us, just like getting the app out there and getting users and seeing what they like and how are we going to change things and to better support.

00:36:34:11 – 00:37:16:11
Victoria
And this year we will be launching fertility and cycle support, which I am so excited about specifically in the cycle. So many of us don’t know that we have four stages to our menstrual cycle and that we should be eating different things and doing different things in our life. And how great would it be to have that reminder, Oh Victoria, you are ovulating, like set your meal or your, your like prime meetings during this specific period of the month because you’re going to be at your best.

00:37:16:13 – 00:37:41:26
Victoria
Do that HIIT class now. But oh, like here you’re coming up on your site on your menstruation phase. Like now it’s time to come inward. Now it’s time to do some journaling. Maybe a yoga class. If you’re looking for the movement, concentrate on those like warming, comforting foods rather than, you know, lighter foods during your follicular and ovulatory stage.

00:37:41:26 – 00:37:59:04
Victoria
So I, I and I feel like many, many people know that information, but we have a hard time remembering it and implementing it every day because I personally want that reminder and I’m going to create it.

00:37:59:06 – 00:38:30:23
Jessica
Yes, please do. I mean, I’m that’s like really what lament is all about it. And I think, yeah, focusing on that or having that as a tool from the very first time you menstruate would have been from our generation like such a powerful download, because I think as young women experiencing puberty and like how that there is an ups and downs shifts and the cyclical way that we function, it kind of, you know, gives us permission to relax,

00:38:30:27 – 00:38:49:24
Jessica
release into it, knowing it’s going to change next week because next week I’m going to be here and like it’s normal to feel that sway in our bodies. And we’ve been kind of told like, wow, acting out like, what can we do to hide the symptom? But it’s really a signal and a vital sign, like speaking to us every month.

00:38:49:27 – 00:39:38:11
Jessica
And I that if we’re paying attention to that in our younger years as we develop into our sexual bodies and sexual beings, creative beings, I guess I should say too, it would just give us so much more just solid ground to stand on as we navigate, you know, that relationship of who we become. And then when we go into like fertility and, you know, pre-conception really like calling in pregnancy, all of that knowing and experiencing and feeling in our bodies certainly will reflect itself in power, able to get pregnant and yeah, whole pregnancy and like so it’s I think we’re like trying to connect all those dots along the beautiful timeline of womanhood.

00:39:38:11 – 00:39:56:24
Jessica
And I think you’re right there are all these like phases where we have this opportunity to rebuild too, and like, it’s okay if we’re like missing some of the pieces behind us because there are always these like a rites of passage moments where we’re like kind of clearing the slate to carve more back in and rebuild thing. That’s really the beauty of it, too.

00:39:56:26 – 00:40:21:02
Jessica
Yeah, Amazing. Yeah, there’s like so many tools and it’s like synthesizing it all and kind of collecting it all to have it in one place where we can really, like use it as a guidepost because life is moving really fast. Same time now too. So it’s really helpful again to have things more integrated with technology and make it easier.

00:40:21:04 – 00:40:49:29
Victoria
Yeah, and we’ve we’ve talked to so many women who have gone through fertility journeys and never once did their doctor mention that their diet could have any sort of effect. But then they, you know, they down the line learn, oh, I cut out gluten and I got pregnant and sometimes it’s not as simple as that, but sometimes it is.

00:40:49:29 – 00:41:14:09
Victoria
And sometimes it’s you know, we live in a very toxic world. Many of us have been brought up on processed foods. And it’s it’s very difficult to live completely toxic free and damn near impossible I would say. But we just need to mitigate those toxic exposures and really

00:41:14:11 – 00:41:22:21
Jessica
and I think our body, like they’re very resilient and they’re always responding to all these environmental bad players and good players.

00:41:22:21 – 00:42:08:12
Jessica
And like we’re kind of designed to be that way. But if we are not an active participant in like reading the signals of our body when something we’re doing isn’t feeling that good or like resulting in some kind of dysfunction and addressing it, then it’s just like compounding and infecting all these other things. So I think like you’re, you’re, you know, visions really starting at the beginning, like really thinking about the phases of our menstrual cycle and how that, you know, if we’re really tuned into that and like that’s all healthy and working well, which is also so tied to diet and movement and sleep and emotional well-being and spiritual well-being, all of these things,

00:42:08:15 – 00:42:28:10
Jessica
it’s kind of a training ground for then like going into the childbearing years, I think too. So I think a lot of women just like Skip have or having to skip that part and are met with fertility challenges that maybe are keyed into some other like menstrual cycle challenges they might have been having for a really long time.

00:42:28:10 – 00:42:44:23
Jessica
But we’re taught to just like normalize and sweep under the rug. So I’m excited for that. Like ideology, I guess, or reality to to blossom in in how we are all treating this part of our body.

00:42:44:25 – 00:43:05:00
Victoria
Yeah. And really that the science is finally catching up now to things that we’ve known for thousands of years. But it’s nice to have those studies and like, oh okay, this is the stamp of approval, like “haha I told you so!”

00:43:05:00 – 00:43:22:04
Jessica
Sure. So are there any other like key messages or takeaways you want to be with our audience about the Lama app and nutrition?

00:43:22:07 – 00:43:41:00
Victoria
Well, I mean, our our mission is really helping women to bring our own power back within ourselves. And we’re here as a guide. We’re not here as like, Oh, hop onto the mirror app so that I can tell you exactly what to do.

00:43:41:03 – 00:44:11:19
Victoria
Now let’s let’s come together and figure out what is it that your body is telling you and what is it you’re needing or missing. We’re striving to bring back this remembering of our own innate wisdom. And when you nourish your body with whole real foods, then your body has the capacity to heal. And when it comes down to it, health is really, really simple.

00:44:11:22 – 00:44:43:21
Victoria
But changing habits can be really hard, and that’s when you might need some support. Changing the mindset of scarcity versus abundance. And because, like I said before, we’re taught as women to restrict and you know, this is better and that’s bad and black and white, and there’s nuance to health, there’s nuance to human beings. So we’re here to change that.

00:44:43:24 – 00:45:10:10
Jessica
Thank you so much. I mean, it’s really inspiring. Like how many women are being called to be like, you know, business creators and owners and doing things differently. I really appreciate how you’re really centering the individual as taking the lead and being sovereign in their choices and that, you know, we’re creating products to support that, not to tell you how to do it or like that.

00:45:10:10 – 00:45:35:00
Jessica
This is the only way. And I think even just that mindset as creators in the world is really helping to create positive change for how we feel in our bodies and navigate this like amazing capacity that we have to become mothers and for fully expressed women in the world. So thank you so much, Victoria. And also the app is beautiful.

00:45:35:05 – 00:45:54:23
Jessica
Let me see if I can even like show it on my screen of it, but a little bit. But yeah, there’s like all these beautiful recipes. It’s so easy. You literally just like click on the image of the recipe. It tells you exactly what ingredients you need, how much of them you need and how to do it. So like they’re in it.

00:45:54:23 – 00:46:06:20
Jessica
I am excited to be using this more myself. I so 18 months postpartum now so it’s a little bit actually, it’s not that I keep trying to remind myself like it’s still

00:46:06:20 – 00:46:08:18
Victoria
Postpartum is forever!

00:46:08:25 – 00:46:17:03
Jessica
right and I use this app all the time and I’m seven and four years postpartum so yeah there

00:46:17:06 – 00:46:30:26
Victoria
We should tell your your following here that we have two different versions of the app as a free and a premium and there’s so much that you get through the free version of the app.

00:46:30:29 – 00:46:57:29
Victoria
There’s the week by week guidance and all the nutritional recommendations and. Then there is like you showed on the home screen, there are four or five recipes that are recommended for that week that you have access to the premium version. It’s just $29 month and you have access to all of our recipes and then you can speak directly with the nutrition coach.

00:46:57:29 – 00:47:23:00
Victoria
So you can ask at any time of day you’re at the grocery store and just have like a little question or sometimes I dive deep into people are like taking snapshots of all their supplements, okay, what should I do and how should I do it? And that’s that’s really fun for me. I love helping guide people and getting nerdy into what works for their health.

00:47:23:03 – 00:47:51:25
Victoria
We also offer one on one consults, and that’s through our website. So that’s where we can really dive in and do video conferencing. So I can see your face and get to know you. And we wanted to offer everyone who, with a moon a free month of my premium so you can use the code MARMAMONTH all one word, all caps, MARMAMONTH for a free month of running a premium

00:47:51:28 – 00:47:54:01
Jessica
And it’s easy to find in the App store.

00:47:54:01 – 00:47:59:16
Victoria
You just look for my search for Marma. Yeah. Marma Health, you know.

00:47:59:18 – 00:48:03:01
Jessica
And how else can we connect with Marma?

00:48:03:03 – 00:48:24:27
Victoria
We’re pretty active on Instagram. We do have a Tik tok, but I got to say, that’s not where we live. But yeah, follow us on Instagram. Send us a message. We love to connect, collaborate and just see where you’re at in the world and in your stage of motherhood.

00:48:25:00 – 00:48:32:27
Jessica
Thank you so much. Again, we are so grateful for this connection and looking forward to more. Have a good one.

00:48:33:00 – 00:48:35:26
Victoria
Thank you so much.